Archive for June 2nd, 2008




Harold Ickes is an ass!

why is he an ass?

He is advisor to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. And the short answer is he’s a hypocrite. I saw him on Meet The Press, and it just gets me so mad when they turn this into a game. Not sure you are interested in the details but…

Here’s the long answer:

MR. RUSSERT: Here’s what baffles me. Back in October, when Senator Obama and other Democrats took the names off the ballot in Michigan, Senator Clinton kept her name on, but she said this to National Public Radio: “You know, it’s clear, this election they’re having in Michigan is not going to count for anything.” That’s what she said back then. And now suddenly, when you need the delegates in order to catch up to Obama, everything should be counting.

MR. ICKES: Well, you know, I guess the, the simple response to that, Tim, is, one, circumstances do change. But Senator Obama took his name off the ballot, but he was eager to get all 55 uncommitted yesterday, took them willingly. Argued for them, took them and, in fact, reached over and grabbed another four from Hillary. So here’s a man who took his name off the ballot and said, `Give me the delegates, and give me four others from my opponent.’

MR. RUSSERT: But Michigan was not a real primary.

MR. ICKES: Michigan was, in fact, a real primary. Six hundred thousand people voted, Tim, compared, compared, compared to 160,000 in ’04, which had a high–which had a real, live primary as well.

MR. RUSSERT: Then why did Senator Clinton say it wasn’t going to count for anything?

MR. ICKES: I think at that time people were focused on Super Tuesday, and a lot of us did not feel that it was going to go beyond that. But the fact is, Tim, it did count.

MR. RUSSERT: We’re going to get to the overall delegates. The Clinton campaign is on the air with another new TV commercial, and this is what it says in part. Let’s watch.


NARRATOR: Seventeen million Americans have voted for Hillary Clinton, more than for any primary candidate in history.

Story continues below ↓

(End videotape)

MR. RUSSERT: What do you base that number on?

MR. ICKES: The number being what, the popular vote?

MR. RUSSERT: Seventeen million? Because by every analysis, Obama has 16.7 million popular votes, Clinton has 16.3. If you want to count Florida, Obama has 17.3 million, Clinton has 17.15. How do you say she has more popular votes than anybody else?

MR. ICKES: Well, we’re going by the AP projections, and we’re counting both Michigan and Florida. And, and in our…

MR. RUSSERT: You’re counting Michigan when…

MR. ICKES: Yes, we’re counting Michigan.

MR. RUSSERT: …Senator Obama’s name wasn’t on the ballot?

MR. ICKES: We’re counting Michigan. He voluntarily took his name off the ballot, Tim. There was no party rule, no exhortation from the Democratic National Committee. He, he–it was a voluntary, strategic choice that he made. He could have kept it on there.

MR. RUSSERT: But Senator Clinton said it didn’t count for anything…

MR. ICKES: Well…

MR. RUSSERT: …but now it counts for everything.

MR. ICKES: The popular vote is being added by AP, and we–our view is–very strong view is that the uncommitted vote is not–was not a vote for Obama.

MR. RUSSERT: There were nine nonbinding primaries in Nebraska, Washington state and Idaho. Should those votes be added?

MR. ICKES: They are–my understanding of the AP count there, they’re in there.

MR. RUSSERT: And you agree with that?

MR. ICKES: What? They’re–my understanding of the AP count is that they’re in there.

MR. RUSSERT: Now, we had a briefing with the Clinton campaign in December, and you made we repeat after you, “Timothy, delegates nominate. Not states, not popular vote, delegates.” So I want to look at the delegates. You need 2,118 to be nominated, and here they are. Obama, pledged delegates plus superdelegates 2,055.5; Clinton, 1880. If you assume that there are only 86 delegates left–Puerto Rico, Montana, South Dakota–for discussion’s sake, because of portion allocation, they divide them. Each gets 43. Senator Clinton would then be 195 delegates short of the nomination. There are only 203 undeclared superdelegates. She’d have to get 195 out of the 203. Is that going to happen?

MR. ICKES: We continue to make our case that she is the more electable. Not that Senator Obama, who’s run a strong and, and good campaign is not electable. We make the case, as you know, the superdelegates, not in the matchup in November, the person who can best assemble the swing or purple states, such as Florida or Ohio or a combination of smaller states, is Hillary Clinton. And I think she’s, she’s shown that in, time after time, in these primaries. And you look at her electoral base: women, Hispanics, Catholics, older Americans, and incomes under $50,000. She has a very strong general election electoral base and that’s the case we make. Look, Tim, this is a–this is an extraordinary year. We both–Senator Daschle and I were talking about it earlier–it’s an extraordinary year. We have two extraordinary candidates, and they’re–these are difficult decisions that these remaining superdelegates will have to make. Hillary Clinton will be ahead in the popular vote on, on November–on the–on Tuesday.

MR. RUSSERT: If you’re counting Michigan.

MR. ICKES: Neither, neither, neither–well, we’re counting Michigan.


MR. ICKES: Michigan’s in.


MR. ICKES: It was seated by the, it was seated by the party rules.

MR. RUSSERT: You voted against seating it, according to the–and now you’re counting the vote, even though you were against it?

MR. ICKES: Well, they’re in there, and whether or not we go to the Credentials Committee. But, Tim, all I want to say is that she will be leading in the popular vote. He will be leading in delegates. Neither one will have enough delegates to clinch the nomination. The new number now is 2,118, as you specify. Not since 1972 has our party nominated a candidate who was not leading in the popular vote. That was, as you know, McGovern. That was the McGovern year.

MR. RUSSERT: Oh, so you’re comparing Barack Obama to George McGovern.

MR. ICKES: No, I’m not. I’m not.

MR. RUSSERT: And you only…

MR. ICKES: That’s not–Tim, no, no…

MR. RUSSERT: Well, but, but there are only 19…

MR. ICKES: No, wait. I was giving–no wait a minute. I was giving you a historical fact.

MR. RUSSERT: There were only 19 primaries back then, and it appears as if you’re trying to put an asterisk on the nomination, saying, “You know, Obama may win this by delegates, but we really won the nomination.

June 1: Scott McClellan, Tom Daschle, Harold Ickes – Meet the Press, online at MSNBC –…
Transcript of the June 1, 2008 broadcast of NBC’s ‘Meet the Press,’ featuring Scott McClellan, former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD) and Harold Ickes.


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